{"id":94427,"date":"2025-05-09T05:05:13","date_gmt":"2025-05-09T05:05:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/neclink.com\/index.php\/2025\/05\/09\/palantir-revisited-whos-us-in-us-vs-them\/"},"modified":"2025-05-09T05:05:13","modified_gmt":"2025-05-09T05:05:13","slug":"palantir-revisited-whos-us-in-us-vs-them","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/neclink.com\/index.php\/2025\/05\/09\/palantir-revisited-whos-us-in-us-vs-them\/","title":{"rendered":"Palantir Revisited: Who\u2019s Us in Us vs. Them?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>Yves here. Tom Neuburger looks at how Americans are being indoctrinated to accept even more state spying\u2026because, of course, baddies. It is striking that the Newspeak is so advanced that \u201cThem\u201d seems to do just fine, as supposed to what one would think are more evocative formulations: Enemies. Dissidents. Criminals. Agitators. Aliens. Threats.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>By Thomas Neuburger. Originally published at <a href=\"https:\/\/neuburger.substack.com\/p\/whos-the-us-in-keeping-us-safe\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">God\u2019s Spies<\/a><\/strong><\/em><br \/><img fetchpriority=\"high\" fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-291977\" src=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them.jpg 1280w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-624x351.jpg 624w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\"\/><\/p>\n<p><em>Masked national guardsmen fire barrage of tear gas into crowd of demonstrators on campus of Kent State University, May 4th, 1970. When the gas dissipated, four students lay dead and several others injured. (Getty Images)<\/em><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em>\u201cThey need to wake up scared and go to bed scared.\u201d<\/em><br \/>\u2014Alex Karp, Palantir co-founder. \u201cThey\u201d means our enemies, whoever they are.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I want to look at a theme we\u2019ve explored recently, and put a very fine point on it. The theme: \u201cUs vs. Them.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><b>Who\u2019s Us in <em>Us vs. Them<\/em>?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>If you see the world in an <em>Us vs. Them<\/em> way, \u201cus\u201d is Americans, or more broadly, citizens of the West, and \u201cthem\u201d is the non-Western world: the brown, the global south, the technologically less advanced; the tribal, in many cases; the less city-fied.<\/p>\n<p>Thus \u2014 and this has been true since the so-called Age of Exploration, if not millennia before \u2014 \u201cus\u201d in the <em>Us vs. Them<\/em> frame is the \u201cgreatly superior.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>That frame puts \u201cus\u201d in good odor. Alex Karp\u2019s admonition \u2014 to make sure \u201cour\u201d enemies \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/neuburger.substack.com\/p\/palantir-founder-they-need-to-wake\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">wake up scared and go to bed scared<\/a>\u201d \u2014 puts Americans, us in the more advanced West, inside facing out \u2014 secure and protected, not just from \u201cour enemies,\u201d but from the evils we deliver to them. To put it in cruder terms, we\u2019re also safe because we\u2019re pissing, not pissed upon.<\/p>\n<p>And this is how we\u2019re supposed to regard the muscular state, the heavily armed, punishing state, as guardians of \u201cus,\u201d as outward-facing armies guarding the gates. The state can mistreat \u201cthem\u201d because \u201cthey\u201d are not \u201cus.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But Karp is a billionaire, as is Trump, whom he serves, as are <em>all of the wealthy class<\/em>, the overly rich. Karp imagines he speaks for a larger \u201cus,\u201d for his class and also Americans generalized. He says so explicitly. From the same speech:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Americans are the most loving God-fearing, fair, least discriminatory people on the planet. And they want to know that if you\u2019re waking up and thinking about harming American citizens, or if American citizens are taken hostage and kept in dungeons, or if you\u2019re a foreign power sending fentanyl to poison our people, something really bad is going to happen to you \u2014 and your friends and your cousins and your bank account and your mistress and whoever was involved.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Note the emphasis on \u201cforeign\u201d; the emphasis on wide retribution \u2014 your friends, your cousins, your lovers, your fiscal well-being; the intentionally great <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=xPZ6eaL3S2E\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">disproportion<\/a> between offense and response\u2026<\/p>\n<p><iframe title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube-nocookie.com\/embed\/xPZ6eaL3S2E?si=P7aox_HVtdipO2XJ\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><br \/>\u2026and the threat of punishment for <em>uncommitted<\/em> crimes: \u201cif you\u2019re waking up and <em>thinking<\/em> about harming American citizens\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>As I said earlier, this is a crazy man. If he were your neighbor, he\u2019d get himself put away, to a home, an asylum, a cell. But because he\u2019s rich, American, and pretends to aim his guns outward, he\u2019s praised, rewarded and cheered.<\/p>\n<p><b>Friends of the Very Rich Are Not Our Friends<\/b><\/p>\n<p>But let\u2019s stand back. Who\u2019s \u201cthem\u201d for a man like this? That can be answered in more than one way. One is \u201cAmerica\u2019s enemies.\u201d Muslims, yes. But <a href=\"https:\/\/www.npr.org\/sections\/codeswitch\/2013\/06\/18\/193128475\/how-the-civil-rights-movement-was-covered-in-birmingham\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">these were America\u2019s enemies<\/a> in 1963:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-291978\" src=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-2.jpg 2405w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-2-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-2-1024x769.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-2-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-2-1536x1153.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-2-2048x1537.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-2-624x468.jpg 624w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\"\/><\/p>\n<p><em>Bill Hudson\/ASSOCIATED PRESS<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The <a href=\"https:\/\/eu.dispatch.com\/picture-gallery\/news\/local\/2020\/05\/01\/photos-kent-state-may-4\/66540586007\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">dead in Kent State<\/a> were our enemies in 1970:<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-291979\" src=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-3.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"404\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-3.jpg 1184w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-3-300x202.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-3-1024x688.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-3-768x516.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/00-them-3-624x420.jpg 624w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\"\/><\/p>\n<p><em>John Filo\/Getty Images<\/em><\/p>\n<p>And as recently as now, America\u2019s enemies include anyone <a href=\"https:\/\/www.kenklippenstein.com\/p\/what-are-nihilist-violent-extremists\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">displeased with the state<\/a> or unhappy with Musk:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>The arson attack on Pennsylvania governor Josh Shapiro\u2019s home has unified the national security state around a broader threat it sees in the American people.<\/p>\n<p>Inside the government, sources tell us, officials are scrambling to define the moment. They\u2019re exploring if there\u2019s any connection between the attempts on Donald Trump\u2019s life; Luigi Mangione and his sympathizers; Tesla vandalism; and even earlier attacks, like the one on Nancy Pelosi\u2019s husband.<\/p>\n<p>The Trump Justice Department and the domestic terrorism fighters think they have an answer: Nihilistic Violent Extremists.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>So who\u2019s really \u201cthem\u201d? The rich have only one enemy: those who threaten their rule.<\/p>\n<p><b>The Growing Muscular State<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Be sure to remember the state when you read <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.is\/R2WlD\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">stories like this<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><strong>The Next US President Will Have Troubling New Surveillance Powers<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Over the weekend, President Joe Biden signed legislation not only reauthorizing a major FISA spy program but expanding it in ways that could have major implications for privacy rights in the US.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The ability of the United States to intercept and store Americans\u2019 text messages, calls, and emails in pursuit of foreign intelligence was not only extended but enhanced over the weekend in ways likely to remain enigmatic to the public for years to come. \u2026<\/p>\n<p>At the urging of the agencies and with the help of powerful bipartisan allies on Capitol Hill, the program has also been extended to cover a <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.is\/o\/R2WlD\/https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2024\/04\/16\/us\/fisa-surveillance-bill-program.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">wide range of new businesses<\/a>, including US data centers, according to recent analysis by legal experts and civil liberties organizations that were vocally opposed to its passage.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.racket.news\/p\/new-york-times-trump-invented-the\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">this<\/a>, which first quotes the <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2025\/04\/30\/opinion\/musk-doge-data-ai.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">New York Times<\/a><\/em>\u2026<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Over the past 100 days, DOGE teams have grabbed personal data about U.S. residents from dozens of federal databases and are reportedly merging it all into a master database at the Department of Homeland Security. This month, House Democratic lawmakers reported that a whistle-blower had come forward to reveal that the master database will combine data from federal agencies including the Social Security Administration, the Internal Revenue Service and the Department of Health and Human Services. The whistle-blower also alleged that DOGE workers are filling backpacks with multiple laptops, each one loaded with purloined agency data.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\u2026then goes on to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.racket.news\/p\/new-york-times-trump-invented-the\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">say<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>[Julia] Angwin, author [of the <em>Times<\/em> piece, is also author] of <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Dragnet-Nation-Security-Relentless-Surveillance\/dp\/B01LTHXKEU\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Dragnet Nation: A Quest for Privacy, Security, and Freedom in a World of Relentless Surveillance<\/a><\/em>, obviously knows the Homeland Security Department was created with the specific aim of taking \u201csiloed\u201d information and merging it into a single database. She\u2019s almost certainly familiar with the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dhs.gov\/sites\/default\/files\/publications\/book_0.pdf\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">initial proposal for the DHS<\/a>, which read, \u201cThe Department would fuse and analyze intelligence and other information pertaining to threats to the homeland from multiple sources, including the CIA, NSA, FBI, INS, DEA, DOE, Customs, DOT and data gleaned from other organizations.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>She also knows that list is far from complete: <em>Dragnet Nation <\/em>is full of examples of the DHS and NSA culling info not just from databases like the Census Bureau but state auto vehicle records, foreclosure records, and private data from \u201cgiant companies such as Google, <em>Yahoo!<\/em>, Verizon and Microsoft.\u201d She mentions the DHS sending $50 million \u201cto state law enforcement agencies to purchase automated license plate readers that allow them to keep tabs on citizens\u2019 movements in ways never before possible,\u201d and even finds a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dhs.gov\/xlibrary\/assets\/stc\/stc-chatting-with-kids-printable.pdf\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">DHS mailer about youth cyber activity<\/a> that makes anodyne lines like \u201cKnow What Your Kids Are Doing\u201d feel creeptastic (there\u2019s even a suggestion about installing monitoring tools that can be used \u201cwith or without a kid\u2019s knowledge\u201d).<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/proton.me\/blog\/wifi-surveillance\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Or this<\/a>, a warning about how smart home devices are universal spies:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><strong>The spies in your home: How WiFi companies monitor your private life<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2026In the case of Plume, its devices can scrape together detailed information from every internet-connected device, no matter the make or purpose. Even household chores can be monetized by companies you may not even be aware of.<\/p>\n<p>This raises important legal and ethical questions about consent, data security, and the extent to which your data can be passed to third parties.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>All this is to say, it was never about foreign surveillance and foreign deterrence, not since Bush-Cheney\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/freepress.org\/article\/how-dick-cheney-used-nsa-domestic-spying-pre-911\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">spy shop<\/a> created <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Total_Information_Awareness\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">total surveillance<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/PRISM\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">PRISM<\/a>, not since the Palmer raids <a href=\"https:\/\/tropicsofmeta.com\/2023\/10\/10\/when-hoover-met-palmer-domestic-surveillance-and-radical-suppression-in-the-early-days-of-the-fbi\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">birth of the FBI<\/a>. There\u2019s only one \u201cthem\u201d in the mind of Alex Karp\u2019s class: those who would threaten the rich.<\/p>\n<div class=\"printfriendly pf-alignleft\"><a href=\"#\" rel=\"nofollow\" onclick=\"window.print(); return false;\" title=\"Printer Friendly, PDF &amp; Email\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none;-webkit-box-shadow:none; -moz-box-shadow: none; box-shadow:none; padding:0; margin:0\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.printfriendly.com\/buttons\/print-button-gray.png\" alt=\"Print Friendly, PDF &amp; Email\"\/><\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/2025\/05\/palantir-revisited-whos-us-in-us-vs-them.html\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Yves here. Tom Neuburger looks at how Americans are being indoctrinated to accept even more state spying\u2026because, of course, baddies. 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