{"id":102922,"date":"2025-12-05T09:48:25","date_gmt":"2025-12-05T09:48:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/neclink.com\/index.php\/2025\/12\/05\/the-point-of-no-return-for-the-warm-water-atlantic-current-is-coming-up-fast\/"},"modified":"2025-12-05T09:48:25","modified_gmt":"2025-12-05T09:48:25","slug":"the-point-of-no-return-for-the-warm-water-atlantic-current-is-coming-up-fast","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/neclink.com\/index.php\/2025\/12\/05\/the-point-of-no-return-for-the-warm-water-atlantic-current-is-coming-up-fast\/","title":{"rendered":"The Point of No Return for the Warm Water Atlantic Current Is Coming Up Fast"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>Yves here. It seems that due climate change signs coming in generally at the bad end of the range of forecasts, the timing for reaching various tipping points is coming sooner than earlier warnings indicated. One example is the slowdown of the  Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, which could kick in as soon as ten years from now.  <\/p>\n<p><em><strong>By Thomas Neuburger. Originally published at <a href=\"https:\/\/neuburger.substack.com\/p\/the-point-of-no-return-for-the-warm\" rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">God\u2019s Spies<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><img fetchpriority=\"high\" fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Screenshot-2025-12-05-at-12.11.57\u202fAM.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"346\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-302236\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Screenshot-2025-12-05-at-12.11.57\u202fAM.png 1462w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Screenshot-2025-12-05-at-12.11.57\u202fAM-300x173.png 300w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Screenshot-2025-12-05-at-12.11.57\u202fAM-1024x591.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Screenshot-2025-12-05-at-12.11.57\u202fAM-768x443.png 768w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Screenshot-2025-12-05-at-12.11.57\u202fAM-624x360.png 624w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\"\/><figcaption class=\"image-caption\"><em>A simplified animation showing the overturning circulation. Red lines are surface currents, blue are underwater. NASA\/Goddard Space Flight Center Scientific Visualization Studio (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.vox.com\/climate\/24099459\/amoc-atlantic-meridional-overturning-circulation-freeze-europe\" rel=\" nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">source<\/a>)<\/em><\/figcaption><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em>We will probably pass the tipping point for an AMOC shutdown in the next ten to twenty years or so.<\/em><br \/>\u2014Climate scientist Stefan Rahmstorf<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em>Does death make our lives less sweet? For most of us, no.<\/em><br \/>\u2014Yours truly<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Time for a climate update. Tipping points are approaching. To present this information this systematically, consider the following:<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 Bad things are <a href=\"https:\/\/abcnews.go.com\/US\/record-shattering-heat-wave-hitting-wide-swath-us\/story?\" rel=\" nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">already happening<\/a>, and they\u2019ll continue.<br \/>\u2022 Over not much time, the bad things will also get worse.<br \/>\u2022 Then tipping points will be reached, after which the worst is baked in.<br \/>\u2022 Some years after that, the worst arrives in full.<\/p>\n<p>This process is true in a great many areas: sea level rise, for example, and coastal destruction.<\/p>\n<p>The seas are <a href=\"https:\/\/www.climate.gov\/news-features\/understanding-climate\/climate-change-global-sea-level\" rel=\" nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">already rising<\/a>, due partly to ocean expansion (warm water takes up more space than cold water), but due mainly to melting ice in Greenland and Antarctica. Once the tipping point for glacial melt has been reached, all ice will be guaranteed gone at some future time, and a full sea level rise disaster is bound to occur.<\/p>\n<p>What will that look like? Greenland ice melt will cause <a href=\"https:\/\/sealevel.nasa.gov\/news\/178\/greenlands-rapid-melt-will-mean-more-flooding\" rel=\" nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">24 feet<\/a> of sea level rise; Antarctica ice melt, <a href=\"https:\/\/climatecontroljournal.com\/if-antarctica-melted-how-much-would-the-sea-level.html\" rel=\" nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">230 feet<\/a>. The world\u2019s coastal cities, where <a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/15-of-global-population-lives-within-a-few-miles-of-a-coast-and-the-number-is-growing-rapidly-240672\" rel=\" nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">15% of world population lives<\/a>, will erode with the shores and be drowned. In the U.S., <a href=\"https:\/\/oceanservice.noaa.gov\/facts\/oceaneconomy.html\" rel=\" nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">45% of GDP<\/a> will be lost.<\/p>\n<p>The point to remember: this all occurs in stages. First, pain. Then greater pain. Then a tipping point, which may not be marked by an event, but which nonetheless guarantees, at some future time, complete collapse of the system under discussion.<\/p>\n<p>For most of our systems, we\u2019re at the first point now, or possibly the second \u2014 a point of considerable pain. Yet tipping points silently lurk, some quite nearby.<\/p>\n<p><b>The \u2018AMOC\u2019, Europe\u2019s Personal Heat Pump<\/b><\/p>\n<p>With that, let\u2019s look at one system under threat, the system of oceanic Atlantic currents that keeps northern Europe from freezing like Canada.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-302235\" src=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/00-point-of-no-return-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/00-point-of-no-return-1.jpg 1139w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/00-point-of-no-return-1-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/00-point-of-no-return-1-1024x684.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/00-point-of-no-return-1-768x513.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/00-point-of-no-return-1-624x417.jpg 624w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\"\/><\/p>\n<p><em>Winter in Montreal (<a href=\"https:\/\/practicalwanderlust.com\/things-to-do-in-montreal-in-the-winter\/\" rel=\" nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">source<\/a>)<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Europe\u2019s personal heat pump is the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, or AMOC \u2014 what most of us call the \u201cGulf Stream,\u201d though those two are not quite the same. The AMOC is part of the world-ocean circulatory system that takes warm water from Equatorial zones and moves it across oceanic surfaces to the north and south, where it cools and sinks, then returns as deep water currents (see image above).<\/p>\n<p>The part Europeans care about is the part that runs from the Gulf of Mexico to very near Scotland. Paris, for example is three degrees latitude closer to the North Pole than Montreal, and Scotland is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/Scotland\/comments\/uc89il\/im_always_amazed_by_how_far_north_scotland_really\/\" rel=\" nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">closer still<\/a>. Yet northern Europe is warmed by the AMOC, while Canada is not.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-302234\" src=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/00-point-of-no-return.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/00-point-of-no-return.jpg 694w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/00-point-of-no-return-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/00-point-of-no-return-624x416.jpg 624w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\"\/><\/p>\n<p><em>Northern Europe is warmed by the AMOC, while Canada is not. The two pins above are cities on the same latitude line. (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.tec-science.com\/thermodynamics\/heat\/gulf-stream-global-ocean-conveyor-belt\/\" rel=\" nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">Image source<\/a>)<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Now consider the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=ULJXqOZuY-8\" rel=\" nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">video<\/a> below. In it, notable (very notable) climate physicist Stefan Rahmstorf discusses in scientific terms the future of AMOC. The whole thing is just 15 minutes, but you can start, if you like, at <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/ULJXqOZuY-8?t=763\" rel=\" nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">12:43<\/a> to hear his tipping point prediction.<br \/><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube-nocookie.com\/embed\/ULJXqOZuY-8?si=XTsdYThezYc4TYWL\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><br \/>Rahmstorf\u2019s bottom line: \u201cWe will probably pass the tipping point for an AMOC shutdown in the next ten to twenty years or so.\u201d In other words, sometime between 2035 (ish) and 2050.<\/p>\n<p>We won\u2019t see it happen, most likely, that tipping point passed. But it will be passed nonetheless.<\/p>\n<p><b>A Note for Skeptics<\/b><\/p>\n<p>I understand that some readers here are climate skeptics. These are, after all, projections, and models can err. (Most of our climate models, in fact, have erred already, but <a href=\"https:\/\/www.scientificamerican.com\/article\/climate-science-predictions-prove-too-conservative\/\" rel=\" nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">on the side of complacence<\/a>.)<\/p>\n<p>These doubts don\u2019t trouble me. No one\u2019s optimism will change the future; nor will anyone\u2019s doubt. Things will be what they are \u2014 decent or rough \u2014 regardless of anyone\u2019s thoughts.<\/p>\n<p>I will say this briefly, though, to the skeptically inclined: Watch your local environment for signs of increasing pain: diminishing water supplies; long and deep droughts; more costly insurance; bigger, more frequent hurricanes, storms and fires; fewer insects (sorry, that\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.com\/news\/science-environment-41670472\" rel=\" nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">already here<\/a>); more frequently canceled sporting events perhaps.<\/p>\n<p>If you see these signs, prepare, regardless of what you believe to be the cause. Protect yourself. And if it turns out you\u2019re right after all, I\u2019ll be among the first to celebrate with you.<\/p>\n<p><b>A Note for Believers<\/b><\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s easy to look at all this and become depressed. After all, this represents a kind of death, if not of ourselves as individuals, of the future the stories we constantly tell ourselves is certain to come \u2014 a future that\u2019s somehow continuous with our own.<\/p>\n<p>Consider our films and novels. Most stories that are set ahead some number of years ignore the climate and focus on new technology. Makes for a great film. But the climate \u2014 whose kingship is certain so long as we\u2019re ruled by our current pathological lords \u2014 will kill off our tech. The wave of smart-phone delights that has given such joy is due to recede, and won\u2019t return, perhaps, for a thousand years.<\/p>\n<p>The way to stay centered is this: We all understand we will die, a personal destruction, yet most live unbowed by that weight \u2014 we eat, watch sports, fall in love, mourn losses, cheer gains, hug children, meet friends; in general we still attempt to live happy lives.<\/p>\n<p>Does death make our lives less sweet? For most of us, no. Though death can\u2019t be stopped; we don\u2019t let it drag us down.<\/p>\n<p>Same here. If you think the destruction of our climate and way of life, which the arrogant and greedy are dead-on determined to cause, can\u2019t be stopped, then think of it as you do your personal future loss, and try to live well anyway. That choice is no different than the one you faced yesterday.<\/p>\n<p>And if you think of a way to stop those pathological souls, those less-than-a-thousand folks who have charge of our lives, then do it. There\u2019s joy in that too.<\/p>\n<div class=\"printfriendly pf-alignleft\"><a href=\"#\" rel=\"nofollow\" onclick=\"window.print(); return false;\" title=\"Printer Friendly, PDF &amp; Email\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none;-webkit-box-shadow:none; -moz-box-shadow: none; box-shadow:none; padding:0; margin:0\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.printfriendly.com\/buttons\/print-button-gray.png\" alt=\"Print Friendly, PDF &amp; Email\"\/><\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/2025\/12\/the-point-of-no-return-for-the-warm-water-atlantic-current-is-coming-up-fast.html\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Yves here. 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